NoJoe!

[The Baron]

I have withdrawn all support for the website http://www.yojoe.com from BFTB. The following discourse illustrates their surprising and arrogant behaviour.

Originally posted here.

06-24-2010, 01:41 PM

New Vehicles and Convention Figures Added!



In this round of updates, we finish off the 2009 vehicle archives, continue filling in the 2010 vehicle archives, and add the 2010 attendee exclusive convention figures. And as the picture above shows, we even threw in a little curveball!

2010 Convention Exclusive Figures:
Agent Natalie Poole
Gaucho
Jammer
Lt. Dolphin
Lifeline (v6)

2009 Vehicles:
R.H.I.N.O.

2010 Vehicles:
Tiger Snake

Collectible Vehicles:
Power Spark G.I.Joe Military Helicopter (1995)

Special thanks to board member "Bithomas" for helping with the convention figures!

06-25-2010, 09:16 AM

Thanks Phillip for such a great job you guys are doing on these archive upgrades! Awesome! Special Thanks to Chad for doing the photos!

06-26-2010, 12:55 AM

Phil does a great job, and I don't do ALL the photos. 99% of the time, if my name's below the photo, I took it. 99% of the time, if Phil's name is below the photo, he took it. Occasionally he and I will edit the photos someone else has taken, but it's rare.

Thanks for acknowledging the work we do though.

Originally Posted by darthdrew13
Thanks Phillip for such a great job you guys are doing on these archive upgrades! Awesome! Special Thanks to Chad for doing the photos!

06-26-2010, 02:56 AM

I hate to be pedantic, but...

This was the only version of Lt. Dolphin ever released.

He's v3.


http://www.bloodforthebaron.com/toys/00 ... index.html


http://www.bloodforthebaron.com/toys/00 ... index.html

There should be some reference to the original Jammer and Gaucho too.

06-26-2010, 08:57 AM

The Action Figure Archives list only U.S. G.I. Joe releases. Since those Dolphin figures were not, they are listed separately in the International archives.

06-26-2010, 01:59 PM

Couldn't you cross-reference the two archives with a link?

06-27-2010, 05:36 PM

could you remaster all figures from 1982-1994? example 1984 blowtorch, 1984 ripcord, 1987 payload, 1987 hardtop, 1985 heavy metal.

I've seen vehicles and playset remastered like the 1987 defiant shuttle complex, most of the vehicles of 1982 and many more.

I like to see all the figures 1982-2000 to be remastered.

06-27-2010, 05:47 PM

Oh, I noticed the master list is in the wrong place. You have these under 2010 figures releases, instead of in the Convention section.

http://www.yojoe.com/action/10/

http://www.yojoe.com/action/convention/

And really, not wanting to harp on but to say "This was the only version of Lt. Dolphin ever released" is just inaccurate, unless you add "in the USA." on to the end.

All I'm asking for is a little "The 2010 convention exclusives were based upon the original UK line Action Force."

06-27-2010, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by The Baron
Oh, I noticed the master list is in the wrong place. You have these under 2010 figures releases, instead of in the Convention section.

http://www.yojoe.com/action/10/

http://www.yojoe.com/action/convention/

And really, not wanting to harp on but to say "This was the only version of Lt. Dolphin ever released" is just inaccurate, unless you add "in the USA." on to the end.

All I'm asking for is a little "The 2010 convention exclusives were based upon the original UK line Action Force."

It wouldn't stop there though. They would then have to change the archives of Outback, Mutt, Spirit, Stalker, PsychOut, Blizzard, etc....to show that there are other "version" of the character released internationally.

There is an international section for a reason, let's keep the two separate.

However, I do agree that these should only be mentioned in the Convention Releases section. I think it's a mistake for convention items to be listed as actual Hasbro releases and versions of a characters. Convention items should be kept completely seperate just like the international stuff should be kept seperate. Jumbling them up like this makes things confusing and also makes things very frustrating for completists.

06-27-2010, 06:44 PM

I don't think that necessarily follows, the Convention section is a sub-section archive just as is the International section (and it was clearly placed in the main figures section by accident).

I'm not asking for a re-write of the archive layout, just a little amendment giving credit where credit is due - it would read as little more than character trivia. It's the use of the word "ever" that irks me.

The 2009 Hawk and Blades also needs a similar revision.

06-28-2010, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by The Baron
I don't think that necessarily follows, the Convention section is a sub-section archive just as is the International section (and it was clearly placed in the main figures section by accident).

I'm not asking for a re-write of the archive layout, just a little amendment giving credit where credit is due - it would read as little more than character trivia. It's the use of the word "ever" that irks me.

The 2009 Hawk and Blades also needs a similar revision.

No, the 2002-current convention figures are officially licensed by Hasbro and are available for public, non-attending purchase and therefore are included in the annual archive listings.

The convention sub-section is a place to archive items that pre-date 2002 sets. As those were attendee only items and often just hand-painted customs endorsed by Hasbro or repacks of left-over inventory.

We do not and will not cross-reference items that are not of G.I.Joe construction in the archives. Action Force (pre-o-ring) are archived in figures not G.I.Joe in the collectible archives should people wish to learn more about those items.

We have no intentions of fully integrating pre-o-ring Action Force into the main theme of YoJoe.com

There are other sites out there that do it and do it better than we can.

06-28-2010, 06:23 PM

That's not what I asked. I made the point of saying that wasn't what I was asking. You even quoted me saying that I wasn't asking that.

I'm simply saying that the statement "This was the only version of Lt. Dolphin ever released" is incorrect. You need to either add "in the USA." or an amendment that the 2009 and 2010 convention exclusives were all based upon international variants

I'm trying to be helpful, not awkward. Why all the resistance?

I see now that the convention exclusives are posted in both relevant archive sections. At the time of my original comment they were not visible in the Convention section.

06-30-2010, 11:45 AM

So, what? You're just going to ignore me? That's very poor.

I honestly thought I'd earned more respect than this. I've spent seven years promoting Action Force and getting them recognised as GI Joe affiliates. I've worked extensively with you to add the Battle Action Force comics to the YoJoe archives. It's safe to say that without BFTB there would have been no DDP or Joecon revivals.

If this had been posted on the BFTB boards, as a forum moderator and site owner my response would have been "Whoops! Thank you for pointing that out!" I would then have spent all of twelve seconds correcting and replacing the archive. Frankly I'm astonished at the reaction I have had on this thread.

Right now your stance looks like "If it's not American it doesn't count." Is that really the position you want to take?

07-01-2010, 07:23 AM

How rude. I honestly expected better from Yojoe.

07-02-2010, 12:05 AM

I've e-mailed RedClaw and am still being ignored. What are you, 12?

07-02-2010, 12:01 PM

Thank you for making the changes to the archives. I still don't appreciate being ignored though.

07-02-2010, 12:08 PM

We appreciate everything that BFTB has brought to the community. And we appreciate all that Action Force fans have done for the brand.

While I concede that there is some "legitimizing" of the AF brands integration with US/Canadian G.I.Joe, I am not willing to go through our entire archives and retcon/re-work every single item to merge the two concepts.

AF/G.I.Joe and USA G.I.Joe are similar but still different properties from each other. As such, we list international items in the appropriate sections and link to non-domestic items as to further educate collectors.

I personally do not appreciate the behavior or tone that I am seeing from you regarding this issue, and that saddens me. I did not know that YoJoe had to be bullied so as to meet your sensibilities.

Simply put, we're putting in the correct links, we will not back-date anything to pre-G.I.Joe/O-ring era figures. There are other sites that have that information and YoJoe is not the place for it.

I feel a bit embarrassed for you and your ranting and raving on the forums. Bad form.

07-02-2010, 12:10 PM

As a matter of fact, those mentions you asked for were put in days ago.

07-02-2010, 12:28 PM

Ranting and raving? Hardly. Please point out one single example of my alleged 'bullying'. You should be embarrassed by your own rude behaviour, RedClaw.

I swore at you, then immediately edited it as I regretted it (and before your response was posted). Had I known it was the only way to get you to acknowledge me I would have done it sooner.

And it's not about my sensibilities. It's about errors in your archives being cited as facts. I was only ever trying to be helpful and have been insulted in exchange. I won't bother next time.

Once again, I have not once asked you to back date your archives to incorporate pre GI Joe/O-ring figures. I have absolutely no idea where you got that idea from. Did you actually read the thread before posting?

As for the changes being put in days ago, did nobody think it worth mentioning in the relevant thread discussion? You deliberately left me hanging for reasons I cannot imagine.

The proper response would have been a simple apology, rather than being snotty. Poor show all round, chaps.

07-02-2010, 02:04 PM

jeez, just drop it already Baron. You got what you wanted, be happy and move on with your life.

07-02-2010, 02:13 PM

Excuse me?

At which point my Yojoe forum account was suspended.

Ironblood then posted a simple question.

07-02-2010, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by Average Joe
jeez, just drop it already Baron. You got what you wanted, be happy and move on with your life.

Have you any idea how rude you sound?

At which point the thread was locked.

[The Baron]

I made an official complaint, which was an even bigger waste of time.

07-02-2010, 12:35 PM

http://forums.yojoe.com/news/75964-acti ... dates.html

I wish to complain about the staff on this forum. Please review this thread and explain to me exactly why I have been banned as a result of it.

You now owe me two apologies.

07-03-2010, 01:19 AM

You are not banned. Your account was suspended for three days for a cooling-off period after you constantly spammed the forum regarding the vehicle updates.

If you have any questions you can direct them to me personally at ***** or via IM should you choose.

I am the administrator of YoJoe and run all aspects of the site, and it was my decision to suspend the account for three days.

I have been following your threads at BFTB and YoJoe and felt it best that we just end discussion on that subject for now.

It is our policy to suspend any account for a minimum of three days should any of the YoJoe Forums rules be violated, such as respect, harassment and/or spamming/flooding, which you were actively doing in the thread.

Please review our rules and policies at the following URL or contact me for clarification
http://forums.yojoe.com/forum-rules/408 ... 006-a.html

Thank you,

Terry Dizard
YoJoe Administrator

07-03-2010, 01:30 AM

Hello Terry,

I don't think it's warranted in the slightest. I wasn't the one being ignorant. Has RedClaw been penalised as well?

I'm sorry if you feel I overstepped my bounds somehow, but I refuse to be treated like that. The entire thing was completely unnecessary.

I'll be unable to post my weekly Colouring Project update tomorrow because of this, which means I'm not the only one being punished.

I would have happily dropped the matter if I'd simply had a courteous explanation. This has just made a bad situation worse.

Jim.

07-03-2010, 01:49 AM

It honestly isn't that big of a deal, at all.

It's three days off, not a life time. And I see in the forum thread that your friend/associate has decided to jump on the bandwagon and continue to drag the thread off-topic even further.

He too may be suspended, per a staff review later tonight.

Honestly, just let it go. Be mature about the situation and move on. Hurling insults and berating the staff and site isn't only counterproductive, it's ridiculous.

Seriously, let it go.

07-03-2010, 02:34 AM

I've not seen the thread, as I am barred. I have no idea which associate you are referring to. It has nothing to do with me, I assure you.

You think I'm being immature? Because I refuse to be treated with contempt? I was trying to be helpful.

I suggest you re-read the thread. I never once dragged it off-topic. As for RedClaw thinking I wanted him to rewrite the entire archive to promote Action Force, I have absolutely no idea where that came from. His comments and reactions were illogicial.

I have no idea what I did to deserve this. But let me assure you it is a big deal to me, it's a slap in the face for no reason.

Clearly you agree with them, so there's little point in pursuing this. You owe me an apology, it isn't going to happen, therefore I won't be back.

07-03-2010, 07:43 AM

I am RedClaw.

My name is in my profile.

07-03-2010, 09:00 AM

OK.

So what the hell are you on about? Where on earth did you get the idea that I wanted you to integrate Action Force into your entire archive? Clearly you agreed with my suggestions, as they have all been implemented!

You said I could contact you with any questions, but all I have got from you is "Stop being immature" and "let it go". Why did you feel it necessary to ignore me for a week? You have some gall accusing me of being counterproductive, you caused this entire situation, not me.

I gather that Ironblood is the member who has posted in my defence. And you're threatening to ban him too? That's a total abuse of power on your part. Will you also be banning Average Joe for sticking his oar in for no reason and stirring everything up again?

Now give me an explanation for your petty behaviour.

Grr.

[The Baron]

The ball is in their court. Any theories?

Conversations redirected from here and here.

[gung-hoeddie]

he's a wanker? thats about a good a theory as i can come up with, you asked a question, he didn't understand the question posed, he read into somthing that wasn't there, i don't think the intervention of ironblood would of helped either, red claw has a hidden agenda which i believe to be, he cannot cope with Palitoy being the creators of dolphin and so on, as an all american site as it were the idea of the brits having any form of "before hasbro" is upsetting, in a typical American way lets steal history from someone else (i apologise in advance to any american forum members i have no intention of slurring all with this)

[The Baron]

he's a wanker

Hmm, you may have something there...

It does feel like racism, I'm sorry to say. And the further I push, the more awkward and bewildering the situation becomes. Maybe I've embarrassed them?

[Double-Tap]

hmmmmmmmmmm, bad sh*t.

can we use Norwegian_Reds rating system???

[Red Laser]

And they still list Lt Dolphin as the only one ever released after all that. It's a crap forum anyway the navigation is bog awful unlike what we have here and on other forums. I won't be back on there again if that's the way they feel.

[Monkfish]

If YoJoe stubbornly want to be wrong then screw 'em. People wanting to find out about the origins of Dolphin will drift to BFTB anyway.

[humby248]

Arrogant buggers! Next thing you know some of them will have the front to make some new versions of our old favourites and ruin them without consulting the experts on here!

[Double-Tap]

lol