Old Adolf

[Double-Tap]

saw a cracking documentary about Hitler last night.
On bbc2 about 9pm, can't remember what it was called.
not just about Hitler but the early days of the Nazi party and some of the other major players. Part 1 of 4.
Well worth a watch if it tickles your fancy.
Anyone got a TV guide can tell me what it's called?

[gung-hoeddie]

i can't remember the title but i did watch this and it was very interesting.

[SteveD]

I watched it too - it was something like "Hitler - Dark Propoganda". Scary to see how it got so carried away, from quite humble beginnings.

[gung-hoeddie]

like your toy collection.

[buddusky]

Was it the Dark Charisma of Adolf Hitler, I plused it but haven't watched it yet.

[gung-hoeddie]

it was indeed. a very interesting examination of Hitler and the oddness of his personality.

[SteveD]

like your toy collection.

Very true dear chap! Very true!

[Thundershot]

Aye it was one of those sort of shows I hadn't intended to watch in the first place but got engrossed in...I'm just the same with war documentaries on the history channel.

[Doc]

I never believed Hitler was evil. If you read about his early day he was a below average student and average quality soldier. He was run by a sports car and escaped with out a scratch. Eveaded numerous attempts on his life. Then he became a great orator and rose to power very quickly.

I believed he was a vessel of Satan. I am fairly skeptical about a lot of paranormal stuff but this is competely unexplainable.

[Quickfire]

Interesting, not seen it.

If you go down the Ian Kershaw route then Hitler - if, like Luther, he had not existed, then it wouldn't matter anyway due to broader ideological, social and technological changes in play at the time - it just the figurehead for an array of vested interests who, like anyone in those circumstances, once in power relies on divide and rule strategies and saying yes to the last person he spoke to in order to sit atop an array of competing fiefdoms.

On the other hand, the very idea of saying "Hakenkreuz" / "Hooked Cross" in a Protestant-Roman Catholic Germany went hand in hand with rejecting the very concept of the Cross, and this reinforces the rise of Satanism at the time, and the chicken-farmer Goebbels' cultivation of a neo-satanic mythos in the form of all the fake rune systems, themselves derirative of the false history of blood and earth that was Wagner's wank fantasy, and rituals at Wewelsburg, the Irminsul, and the SS castle in Austria, and Hugo Boss gave that cult a uniform, the operational strategy of Guderian gave them means, stentorian war-weary Victorians gave them opportunity and of course Krupp and Bayer industrialised the cult of death.

One of the strangest books out there is about Wittgenstein and Hitler, if they shared a year at primary school it may explain Hitler's issues. But why look for a rational explanation where one is not necessarily needed. It's like his coprophilia and dead cousin, surely the tell is already there in all manner of things without proving it beyond doubt.

And opposite the pew in which he sang as a boy in church is a statue of a mittel-european saint of late Roman province with a swastika below his feet, an association brought back from the marches of Rome/trade routes with India. Basically he was reliving his childhood at a certain level.

Anyway, the Germans - although not the Austrians - got pretty much served for opening the gates of hell, even if some of them still want Prussia and Breslau and Sudetenland back, good luck with that.