Sundance wrote:well, if you go back to Detective and his first appearance, he carried a gun and killed people. that got retconned away pretty quick...
besides, Pre-Crisis doesn't count
Hmmm, I guess they wanted to stop him becoming Rorschach like Alan Moore suggested "heroes" of Batman's kind would eventually turn out to be if they grew and evolved like normal people Eaten up by a hunger for vengeance and living in the shadow of the death of his parents. In the same way you can compare Dr. Manhattan and Superman, if Supes really was that powerful he'd become disconnected from the trials and tribulations of normal human beings...he can rotate the earth for fucksake
Sundance wrote:but how do you define what makes Batman work? in the 50s it was campy silly SF. In the 60s it was campy silliness. in the late 80s it was dark brooding grimness.
and, Irony, i think you'll find G1 is when Transformers started for EVERYONE not just the UK!
There was Takara outside of the UK thank you very much which predated the G1 we knew, I have the Dorling Kindersley book about the Transformers which states this. Also here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformers
Spock, where the hell's the power you promised?
One damn minute, Admiral
"Red! The colour of my Shadows, The colour of fire and of blood......All that I stand for!" Baron Ironblood, Operation Bloodhound
We are not expecting to see Iron Man wearing his gold armor when he returned to the States or :snakeeyes: traveling in a plane with Kwinn and Dr Venom; we know what's an adaption. What we want are certain com¡nventions: Bruce Wayne's motives to be Batman must be avenging his parents, if you change it to being the result of a bet "I'll pay you $1000000 if you dress as a Bat and kick thugs for the rest of your life" there is whenb the adaption fails, like the Penguin being a gross dweller of the sewers, like Crimson Dynamo and Whiplash being one and the same, like Spider-Man being mute or :snakeeyes: not being that.
Besides, you must know WHO is/are the main chara/s: the TF movies being about humans rather than Transformers? Yuck.
"You were engineered with such potential, Serpentor. But you lack the most important DNA of all... mine."
you're the one making yourself look silly by saying such stupid things as 'G1 is when Transformers started for us in the UK'
Transformers G1 has sod all to do with Takara. Transformers was solely the invention of AMERICANS. Hasbro bought a bunch of existing toys and all the associated ephemera like Autobots, Decepticons, character names, personality traits and so on were made up by either Bob Budiansky at Marvel Comics, Simon Furman at Marvel US and UK or people like Floro Dery at the animation company when he redeigned characters for their animation models.
Yawn! Did you read the wiki entry I posted? Taken from the entry: I posted Generation One (G1) is a retroactive term for the Transformers characters that appeared between 1984 and 1992. The Transformers began with the 1970s Japanese toy lines Microman and Diaclone. The former utilized varying humanoid-type figures while the latter presented robots able to transform into everyday vehicles, electronic items or weapons. Hasbro, fresh from the success of the G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero toyline, which utilised the Microman technology to great success, bought the Diaclone toys, and partnered with Takara.[2] Jim Shooter and Dennis O'Neil were hired by Hasbro to create the backstory, the latter of whom christened Optimus Prime.[3] Afterwards, Bob Budiansky created most of the Transformers characters, giving names and personalities to many unnamed Diaclone figures.
Spock, where the hell's the power you promised?
One damn minute, Admiral
"Red! The colour of my Shadows, The colour of fire and of blood......All that I stand for!" Baron Ironblood, Operation Bloodhound
yes, I know the origin of the Transformers. the point still stands: HASBRO INVENTED THE TRANSFORMERS. the japanese toys WERE NOT TRANSFORMERS. they may have been vehicles that transformed, but they were from about five different toylines. HASBRO invented Transformers. HASBRO and its licensees made up the story about robots from Cybertron battling across the universe in their civil war.
DIACLONE TOYS WERE NOT ROBOTS. they were piloted mechas. Jetfire was a frigging Gundam toy. ANOTHER piloted mech. The Insecticons were also piloted mechas.
Eaten up by a hunger for vengeance and living in the shadow of the death of his parents. In the same way you can compare Dr. Manhattan and Superman, if Supes really was that powerful he'd become disconnected from the trials and tribulations of normal human beings...he can rotate the earth for fucksake 
"You were engineered with such potential, Serpentor. But you lack the most important DNA of all... mine."
