why was there no action force cartoon?

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why was there no action force cartoon?

Postby paulitoy » 16 Mar 2008 16:28

All these reviews from Jarmarmiller have got me wondering why was never an action force cartoon to go with the toys in '84/'85?

Back then nearly all kids toy lines came with a cartoon that helped entice the kids in. There was Transformers, He-Man, Thundercats, MASK. Also the star wars spin-off's Ewoks and Droids.

I know the comic did big business for the action force toys, but it just doesn't make any sense that there wasn't a cartoon to go along with it as well.

The action force collection was pretty massive by the third wave [z force command centre, sas wolverine, etc] so palitoy clearly had a lot of time and money invested in the brand and it was clearly successfull - I had nearly all of it and most of the kids in my working class welsh school had the same.

So why was there no cartoon to help propell the toy range along? Shame.


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Re: why was there no action force cartoon?

Postby jamarmiller » 16 Mar 2008 18:58

paul wrote:All these reviews from Jarmarmiller have got me wondering why was never an action force cartoon to go with the toys in '84/'85?

Back then nearly all kids toy lines came with a cartoon that helped entice the kids in. There was Transformers, He-Man, Thundercats, MASK. Also the star wars spin-off's Ewoks and Droids.

I know the comic did big business for the action force toys, but it just doesn't make any sense that there wasn't a cartoon to go along with it as well.

The action force collection was pretty massive by the third wave [z force command centre, sas wolverine, etc] so palitoy clearly had a lot of time and money invested in the brand and it was clearly successfull - I had nearly all of it and most of the kids in my working class welsh school had the same.

So why was there no cartoon to help propell the toy range along? Shame.


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thats a good question , one that I dont have an answer too, Was palitoy a smaller company than the others? thats the only thing I can think of because like you said the comics did big business for them and they produceds Tapes and stuff so you would have thought that a cartoon would have been obvious.

I think had we gotten a cartoon, then today we would have even more people into this hobby than there is now.

and man can you imagine how cool it would be to see so many of these characters in animated form!
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Re: why was there no action force cartoon?

Postby BLACKMAJOR666 » 17 Mar 2008 00:12

The main reason being the cartoons were not made in the UK and the Joe/AF/ATT brand to wider scope.

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Re: why was there no action force cartoon?

Postby Kambei » 17 Mar 2008 15:43

There is no simple answer to this, but the reasons are quite varied.

Advertising. The Action Force range suffered from extremely bad timing as far as a cartoon was concerned. About two years earlier, Palitoy had attempted to get an Action Man cartoon off the ground, but were told that under the (rather antiquated) UK advertising rules of the time, that because the Action Man range was well established, a cartoon would amount to advertising. Action Force was seen as an extention of the Action Man range because of the 1982 figure range which were basically 4 inch versions of Action Man advertised under both banners.
"Ah!", I hear you say, "but what about He-Man, MASK, Thundercats, Transformers, etc?" They managed to get around this by releasing the toys either at the same time as the cartoon, or once the cartoon was on air. The big problem with these cartoons was that they were advertising the the cartoons during the commercial breaks. This led to a backlash from the public (for this, read mother's pressure groups, as per usual in this country :roll: ) and the advertising rules were tightened up even further.

The state /quality of cartoons in the 1980's. This always makes me cringe. British cartoons were being made, but they tended to be exclusively children's fare. Like Dangermouse (best Brit cartoon ever made! Any non Brits on here, look it up on YouTube. You won't be sorry!) and Bananaman. Yes, my American friends, Bananaman. That was good, too. But they were aimed at children. Like in the Warner Bros and Disney cartoons, realistic violence was frowned on. American Saturday morning toons were heavily censored and dumbed down, and we cut them down even more. When Turtles made it across here, the word Ninja was changed to Hero and any scenes with nunchaku were edited out.
Let's say that we had managed to get an Action Force cartoon. Would you have put up with Z-Force and SAS Force using lasers and being worse shots than Cylons or Imperial Stormtroopers? Or being like the A-Team? 10, 000 rounds of ammunition being fired; casualties: 0. The comics gave us realism that was absent from any but Japanese cartoons of the time, with even the good guys being killed in teh line of duty. Let's be honest, and I know that Jamar will shudder at the thought, if a cartoon had been made, it woukd have concentrated on Space Force and outlandish science fiction storylines, and characters like Skeletron and.......The Kraken (will someone please stop Jamar foaming at the mouth at the thought of this? :lol: ) Just remember that Return of the Jedi had just come out, and the Star Trek films were doing well at the cinema (well, the even numbered ones :lol: :wink:). It would have needed this to sell it to the American television market, and Skip would have probably ended up as another Duke. The first miniseries would have probably been a remake of the Bond film Moonraker, with every Red Shadow shot making a miraculous escape from death and a big battle in space at teh end.

GI Joe/Hasbro. Palitoy borrowed heavily from the GI Joe range, even in the early waves. By 1983, there was a Joe cartoon, even if the Joe toys were not available outside of the USA. Palitoy would be using the range under licence and would probably had to live with restrictions on what they did with merchandising. APC, MOBAT, VAMP, Wolverine plus repainted versions of Cobra Commander and Snake Eyes.

So it is a shame that we did not get a cartoon, but reflecting on the mores of that era, I think I am rather glad that we did not. At least I have the memories of the comic unspoilt.
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Re: why was there no action force cartoon?

Postby paulitoy » 17 Mar 2008 20:12

Wonderful reply Kambei! Some very interesting points made - thank you!

And you're right, Dangermouse totally rules!!!!!
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Re: why was there no action force cartoon?

Postby jamarmiller » 17 Mar 2008 23:57

Kambei wrote: .................... I know that Jamar will shudder at the thought, if a cartoon had been made, it woukd have concentrated on Space Force and outlandish science fiction storylines, and characters like Skeletron and.......The Kraken (will someone please stop Jamar foaming at the mouth at the thought of this? :lol: ) ..........................
no no make it stop ! my eyes are burning just reading this , it hurts it hurts ................ GET ..... me...... helppppppppp
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Re: why was there no action force cartoon?

Postby The Kraken Wakes » 18 Mar 2008 00:10

oh wow that would be amazing! the kraken and muton show... with this weeks special guest, skeletron!
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Re: why was there no action force cartoon?

Postby shadow_of_firefly » 19 Mar 2008 02:22

Dangermoouse eh? ill go check it out on youtube. And as for an action force cartoon,with modern computer programs,making one on a home pc shouldnt be that hard. a fan film if u will. or if u got a bunch of peaple who can do good voice work u could make cartoons using the comics, simular to the 60's captain america and spider-man where the caracters bairly move and look like someone just cut and past a comic book. anyways with the live action Joe movie going threw and the sucess of The 25th ann figures (and they are very success full,i know i work at wal-mart and even i cant get the good ones,is there wal-mart in england?) maybe an Action force revisal will come threw.or maybe their 25th (are they 25 years old?) new figures. Cat give up hope.
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Re: why was there no action force cartoon?

Postby jamarmiller » 19 Mar 2008 07:14

you mean like this??



we already have the soundtrack with the voices all we got to do is finish it!
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Re: why was there no action force cartoon?

Postby shadow_of_firefly » 22 Mar 2008 01:23

dude i would totally watch and add that to my fav's

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