Series 1 - 2Para or Helicopter MOC anyone?

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Re: Series 1 - 2Para or Helicopter MOC anyone?

Postby Coosbay_pirate » 03 Jan 2016 16:18

Great work!

Could the silver medals be a way to correct an incorrect printed medal number underneath?
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Re: Series 1 - 2Para or Helicopter MOC anyone?

Postby Hopper » 03 Jan 2016 17:15

Coosbay_pirate wrote:Great work!

Could the silver medals be a way to correct an incorrect printed medal number underneath?


That's my thinking. Why this is important, though, is unclear.
I mean, they are all individual numbers, identifying the figure it came from. But why was that important for Palitoy? So they can see bestsellers perhaps?
They will have sold the batches to individual toy shops, but they would want to be able to see what figures are selling in order to make more.
That makes sense, I suppose.

Can anyone see what's underneath?
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Re: Series 1 - 2Para or Helicopter MOC anyone?

Postby Hopper » 03 Jan 2016 17:45

Ok.
So, by my reckoning, we have 5 figures who have the silver overpaint:
Australian Jungle Fighter (2 replacing something)
Commando (4 replacing 3 possibly)
Desert Rat
German Stormtrooper (8 replacing 9)
Ground Assault (7 replacing something)

All of these are on the English only cardback, and as far as I can, at least two of them are the early versions of these figures.

The working hypothesis is, then, that the first versions of the figures were produced in the English only cardback, and that the initial print run had a mistake in the medal number. As this would affect Palitoy's tally of what was selling, the number was over-painted and changed before being distributed.

I'm willing to bet that the Palitoy sales rep who sold his stuff through Vectis had exclusively silver overpaint figures.

The other 4 figures that potentially wouldshould have the silver overpaint are:
Frogman T1 (Shield Design on chest)
SAS Squad Leader
Mission Pilot T1 (Brazilian Beaver Variant - Yellow zip on crotch)
British Marine T1 (Beret badge)

Happy to be proven wrong, though.
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Re: Series 1 - 2Para or Helicopter MOC anyone?

Postby paul463 » 03 Jan 2016 20:30

Tim,

They need to let you loose in the store / archive where all of the palitoy stuff is stored. The place where Dave Tree found loads of info.
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Re: Series 1 - 2Para or Helicopter MOC anyone?

Postby SteveD » 03 Jan 2016 23:36

Are there any later versions of these figures without the silver print, but the correct numbers printed on from the very beginning?,ie do we know the silver print was used to correct something to give a uniform number for them all?
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Re: Series 1 - 2Para or Helicopter MOC anyone?

Postby Hopper » 04 Jan 2016 00:28

paul463 wrote:Tim,

They need to let you loose in the store / archive where all of the palitoy stuff is stored. The place where Dave Tree found loads of info.


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Re: Series 1 - 2Para or Helicopter MOC anyone?

Postby Hopper » 04 Jan 2016 02:52

SteveD wrote:Are there any later versions of these figures without the silver print, but the correct numbers printed on from the very beginning?,ie do we know the silver print was used to correct something to give a uniform number for them all?


No, and yes... so far.

There are (I'm assuming for now, later) foreign cardbacks that have the 'correct' number printed correctly.
Also, there are later English only cardbacks that have the correct number - ebay # 291650853229 for example.
And, the silver 'correcting' number is the actual proper number, not a random number. It is correcting some problem.

We need a greater sample size, and more comparisons. Anyone who has MOC Series 1, please have a look I if you get chance
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Re: Series 1 - 2Para or Helicopter MOC anyone?

Postby Hopper » 09 Sep 2016 14:38

Steve - your Ground Assault has a silver number on the back, yes?
Could you do me a huge favour and get a photo of the front, I want to know what Type variant it is.
I'm running with the hypothesis that the silver numbers were the first released - so far they only occur with the Type 1 variants (Helmet Decal German, Marine with Beret Badge, etc.).
If we can nail what Type Variant your Ground Assault is, we can identify which Variants came first.
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Re: Series 1 - 2Para or Helicopter MOC anyone?

Postby LDR » 11 Sep 2016 21:03

Heres my Ground Assault, with silver number.
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The number is 7 over the top of a 9.
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Re: Series 1 - 2Para or Helicopter MOC anyone?

Postby LDR » 11 Sep 2016 21:05

and a foreign Ground Assault
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with the number 7 printed on it...so the silver 7 is indeed a number change.
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